Impaired is Impaired

Subject: Impaired is Impaired Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:00 am

This per CD 98.9 fm:

"Local police will soon be handing out stiffer penalties for impaired driving, not just involving alcohol. Canada's Justice Minister Rob Nicholson says impaired is impaired, whether it be by alcohol or drugs. Starting Wednesday, impaired drivers will face a minimum one-thousand dollar fine for a first offence and up to a month in jail if they're caught again. Nicholson adds drivers suspected of being high will no longer be able to refuse roadside sobriety tests. Officers will also be able to take drivers suspected of being on drugs to a police station to test blood, urine or saliva for drugs."

Stoners beware! cheers

Number of posts : 90 Registration date : 2008-04-12

Yes!! finally the pot smoking yahoos will finally get theirs! I never could understand why people thought it was ok to drive higher than a kite but no ok if you have been drinking.

It only makes logical sense to me!

Subject: Re: Impaired is Impaired Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:09 pm

ITS ABOUT TIME Smile

Number of posts : 65 Registration date : 2008-03-15

"ITS ABOUT TIME"
"finally the pot smoking yahoos will finally get theirs!"

Well, maybe not - or at least not yet.

Looks like this may be another one of those situations where those who made the law (Fed.) and those who enforce the law (Prov.) are not on the same page - at least not yet.

The government-run centre responsible for the testing isn't accepting any samples of blood, urine or saliva under the new rules because the province says it's concerned that the workload will overburden the system. - The Canadian Press

Subject: Re: Impaired is Impaired Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:09 pm

Yes but with drugs, they stay in your system longer, say someone smoked some weed 3 days prior to going for a drive and he was pulled over tired after a long days work and looked a little wobbly and he went to the station for a blood test and because he smoked some weed 3 days prior it will show up in his system.

Does he deserve to be charged for impaired driving?

Half norfolk smokes pot lol

Number of posts : 164 Registration date : 2008-03-11

well, if something is still in your bloodstream three days after having used it, would it not still be affecting (impairing) you, on some level?

Number of posts : 69 Registration date : 2008-03-17

They can detect it in your system for up to approximately two weeks I believe.

However, they will be able to tell by the level of it in your system if you are being impaired by it or not.

Just like alcohol being .08, I imagine there is going to be a level where they legislate it as being an impairment to your driving abilities.

Subject: Re: Impaired is Impaired Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:01 pm

hahah goooooood luck with that is all I can say...

how can they prove the last time you had a puff was?

Subject: Re: Impaired is Impaired Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:05 pm

farmersdaughter wrote:: Yes!! finally the pot smoking yahoos will finally get theirs! I never could understand why people thought it was ok to drive higher than a kite but no ok if you have been drinking.

It only makes logical sense to me!

wow..

yeah...look at all those pot-related accidents....??????

I'd say most "stoners" are at home chillin' not out driving around...you'd be surprised how intelligent some "stoners" are. They're not out causing trouble, they don't beat their wives.... It's not the same as alcohol at all and does not affect you nearly the same. I bet I could smoke a big fat joint and still perform a sobriety test better than most people sober!

Subject: Re: Impaired is Impaired Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:52 pm

rye wrote:

farmersdaughter wrote:: Yes!! finally the pot smoking yahoos will finally get theirs! I never could understand why people thought it was ok to drive higher than a kite but no ok if you have been drinking.

It only makes logical sense to me!

wow..

yeah...look at all those pot-related accidents....??????

I'd say most "stoners" are at home chillin' not out driving around...you'd be surprised how intelligent some "stoners" are. They're not out causing trouble, they don't beat their wives.... It's not the same as alcohol at all and does not affect you nearly the same. I bet I could smoke a big fat joint and still perform a sobriety test better than most people sober!

Famous last words Rye!!!

Number of posts : 2 Registration date : 2008-06-08

I doubt that the legislation will hold up in court under constitutional (Charter of Rights and Freedoms) challenges. The law just came into effect and I expect that there will be a lot of press in the next months talking about the challenges. Cops have too much power as it is and are rarely taken to task about how violent they are during non-confrontational arrests.

Pot stays in a system for 30 days and it's impairment on the body is gone within 24 hours. The physical road side tests may be unfair to someone who is tired or physically unable to do the "tests". What about those persons who have a disablity and are taking medication. Many meds contain barbituates and other "illegal" drugs (except that they are prescribed).

More evidence that we're moving to a "police state".

I just heard on the news that the Toronto police force budget is over $400,000,000 per year!!! Imagine how many more TAZERs they can get for that money?

Subject: Re: Impaired is Impaired Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:37 am

Just wondering....are these tests done in the same labs where other more "urgent" medical testing is done, thus depleting these resources?

wombat wrote:: "ITS ABOUT TIME"
"finally the pot smoking yahoos will finally get theirs!"

Well, maybe not - or at least not yet.

Looks like this may be another one of those situations where those who made the law (Fed.) and those who enforce the law (Prov.) are not on the same page - at least not yet.

The government-run centre responsible for the testing isn't accepting any samples of blood, urine or saliva under the new rules because the province says it's concerned that the workload will overburden the system. - The Canadian Press

Subject: Re: Impaired is Impaired Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:01 am

Watchman wrote:: They can detect it in your system for up to approximately two weeks I believe.

However, they will be able to tell by the level of it in your system if you are being impaired by it or not.

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Far as I know there is no test that detects levels, with drugs its only positive or negative

Number of posts : 65 Registration date : 2008-03-15

Jonas asked: "Just wondering....are these tests done in the same labs where other more "urgent" medical testing is done, thus depleting these resources?"

No. These tests would be done at the Centre of Forensic Sciences (Toronto & Sault Ste. Marie).

The Toxicology Section of the Centre of Forensic Sciences is responsible for analysing body tissues and fluids, as well as non-biological material such as tablets, powders or liquids. This analysis is important in instances when the presence or absence of alcohol, drugs or poisons is important to a case.

Toxicology staff are also responsible for training police officers in the theory and operation of breath alcohol testing instruments used in Ontario and for servicing the Breathalyzer®.
Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services