unbelievable CAS story on CFRB

A woman from Barrie has an autistic daughter. She went to a regular school with an EA as her assistant. Seems the EA went to a PSYCHIC!....and came back with the prediction that a child whose name starts with "V" with whom she was working (Victoria, it turns out)...was being sexually abused by a man in his 20's. The EA went to the principal and the principal to the CAS! They actually came in and started a file, though, at first, not believing that a psychic could be the instigator of a claim of abuse!

Anyway, they had to do the investigation due to our country's laws. And they have turned these people (and especially this little girl's life!) upside-down!

The woman is on stress leave from her job with no pay. She has taken her daughter out of the school. And she is staying home for the rest of the year. It seems she has an ex-husband and a boyfriend/fiance. So both of these men became upset with the CAS investigation and, of course, were under suspicion. No one trusts anyone...and the whole family has experienced a total meltdown.
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_23845.aspx

ALL BECAUSE OF A PSYCHIC'S COMMENTS! What do you make of this incredible sequence of events?

I don't think you can blame CAS for this one. The blame goes to the EA and the principal! Why would she/he have gone to the Principal with this. Its like saying I had a dream about an accident and the OPP shutting down the road where I saw it happen in my dream. Boy I bet that EA thinks she/he is pretty powerful now. From what I understand an Psychic worth their salt gets you to tell them what you want to hear. Like " I'm getting something from someone with the letter J or G or maybe R, do you know anyone with the name Ray or Jay, I can see the name ending in a "Y". " Then the client says "No I don't know a Ray or Jay, but my brother's name is John and my grandmother aways called him by his initial "J". Slam Dunk. CAS had to investitagate all claims brought before them. Even if they are stupid. Did they happen to mention if the Psychic's business had picked up?

Wow....that principal and EA teacher should be fired and stripped of their licenses... I mean it's one thing to try and help but to make shit up because you think you're psychic?

The educational assistant, teacher, and pricincipal should all be fired, but unfortunately with the power of the teacher's union you'll never see this, and the education board should be sued in turn for defamation of character. CAS should be also sued for being stupid enough to open up a file on this. Wow, our country gets more and more pathetic every day!

Is MY Reading Comprehension that bad? I thought the orginal thread said the EA went to a Psychic Not that she was Psychic and NO where did I see the mention of the classroom teacher being involed in this ,just the Principal and the EA. Is the teacher guilty because he/she's in the same school? Kind of shows a lack of respect and down right dislike for teachers, atleast as I see it.

"The frightened mother rushed back to the campus and was stunned by what she heard - the principal, vice-principal and her daughter's teacher were all waiting for her in the office, telling her they'd received allegations that Victoria had been the victim of sexual abuse - and that the CAS had been notified"

Sorry, I should also have included the vice-principal!

"The teacher looked and me and said: 'We have to tell you something. The educational assistant who works with Victoria went to see a psychic last night, and the psychic asked the educational assistant at that particular time if she works with a little girl by the name of "V." And she said 'yes, I do.' And she said, 'well, you need to know that that child is being sexually abused by a man between the ages of 23 and 26.'"

And that's where the teacher is implicated! There's no general dislike for teachers in my post, just the idiots involved!

I'm not in the medical field, but wouldn't a quick examination of the child by a Physician determine whether or not sexual abuse has occured. It would have atleast been a starting point, better then some ranting loonatic that can see the future.

disgusting.. disgusting.. disgusting..

it's no secret how I feel about the CAS... so I'll spare the rant.

however, people who report rediculous things shouldn't get away with it. I agree with the above poster that several people should be fired (or atleast reprimanded heavily) but you won't see that.

There are also people out there who report things to the CAS maliciously.. ex husbands, mother in-laws, disgruntled neighbours, former friends.. the list is endless and the CAS allows this reporting to also be done anonymously as well .. and the sad part is they tend to believe those who call and report over the parents any day. Even if a parent was to say "I know so and so called as they are trying to cause trouble in my life" doesn't matter.. CAS believes their precious reporters.

The fact that the CAS can turn a family upside down over false reports is just disgusting. and they can and do turn families upside down.. children are removed on RISK.. so of course they can be apprehended on a false report and then look at all the money spent on trying to reunite the family.. and if they can't afford a lawyer (which most CAS victims can't) then guess who's paying for it.. the same people who pay for the CAS to make the mess in thr first place.. TAX PAYERS.

Keep working hard people.. the government needs their money! After all, they fund the CAS with our money to the tune of 1.3 BILLION dollars a year.

I really wish more people knew the truth about this agency and the damage and heartbreak they cause on a daily basis.. often on unfounded allegations.. children ripped from loving parents.. children abused in foster care when they weren't abused at home..

ok I promised not to rant.. sorry.

btw this is a great facebook page if anyone is interested in seeing some of the damage.. there are also a LOT of discussions on the discussion board as well

https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=9907850634

The educational assistant, teacher, and pricincipal should all be fired, but unfortunately with the power of the teacher's union you'll never see this, and the education board should be sued in turn for defamation of character. CAS should be also sued for being stupid enough to open up a file on this. Wow, our country gets more and more pathetic every day!

holy!

The CAS is protected by the Child and Family Service act against legal action which to me is even more disgusting. They are in no way held accountable for their actions and therefore have this power that technically not even police have!! No wonder there are so many workers in the system who abuse their power and there have been MANY cases of children being apprehended based on a personality clash between the worker and parent(s).. remember the story I posted some time ago about the child removed on personality clash that then lost a toe in foster care due to frost bite?

it's also hard to sue the people that make malicious complaints because the CAS isn't allowed to tell a parent who made the complaint.. however if the case goes to court it's often discovered there.

Protection from personal liability

(6) No action shall be instituted against an officer or employee of a society for an act done in good faith in the execution or intended execution of the person’s duty or for an alleged neglect or default in the execution in good faith of the person’s duty. R.S.O. 1990, c. C.11, s. 15 (6).

in order to hold them accountable you must prove they acted in bad faith.. if they ever do make a mistake they often said they "erred on the side of the child" and that usually takes away the bad faith part. Also, they have UNLIMITED resourses and legal funds.. it's very hard.. although there have been a few people successful in suing.. here's one..

http://canadacourtwatch.com/welcome.htm

Under the Child Protection Act, any indication of abuse must be reported and followed up. Okeedokee! BUT do these agencies leave their brains at the water cooler when it comes to VALID claims or NON-VALID claims? Next, some talking parrot will report abuse and some CAS worker will follow it up!

Yeah! I'm a psychic too...and I predict this EA needs to find a job in a factory turning a screw (where she can't hurt real people!)...because that's what she did to this family! She screwed up a whole bunch of lives...first and foremost, this little girl's life at school!

No one trusts anyone anymore, so where does she go from here? All the rumours and mistrust and lies and gossip! No one deserves the backlash as a result of this EA's visit to the psychic. YOU want to go to a fortune teller? GO! And leave the rest of the community out of it! What an error in judgment the whole group of them made! Was there not ONE clear-thinking individual in the whole school??

"holy!"

Well COMAX, I think that if these individuals can take it upon themselves to make this child's life even harder than it already is based on make-believe, then they should all be punished somehow. The board of education is responsible for these people in the end run as well. I think that they (E.A., teacher, vice-principal and principal) should be fired because who in the h*ll would want their child being educated by a person like this. I can see the future of our youth being taught by people like this being real bright!

oh cking.. as usual I agree 100%

let me add something.. since the CFSA is the act that the agencies follow here's the problem when they get these complaints and allegations.. the definition of a child in need of protection is sooo vague. This vagueness allows them to practically do as they wish. I think a lot of these workers forget how to think.. how to look at bigger pictures. They just seem to worry about their little "ticky boxes"

they have all these child protection "tools" which is simply them answering (in their opinion I might add.. even after just meeting parents) a series of questions to determine if a child is in need of protection. It's kind of like how many people say teachers don't know things without their answer books (no offense.. and I don't believe that myself by the way)

Child in need of protection

(2) A child is in need of protection where,

(a) the child has suffered physical harm, inflicted by the person having charge of the child or caused by or resulting from that person’s,

(i) failure to adequately care for, provide for, supervise or protect the child, or

(ii) pattern of neglect in caring for, providing for, supervising or protecting the child;

(b) there is a risk that the child is likely to suffer physical harm inflicted by the person having charge of the child or caused by or resulting from that person’s,

(i) failure to adequately care for, provide for, supervise or protect the child, or

(ii) pattern of neglect in caring for, providing for, supervising or protecting the child;

(c) the child has been sexually molested or sexually exploited, by the person having charge of the child or by another person where the person having charge of the child knows or should know of the possibility of sexual molestation or sexual exploitation and fails to protect the child;

(d) there is a risk that the child is likely to be sexually molested or sexually exploited as described in clause (c);

(e) the child requires medical treatment to cure, prevent or alleviate physical harm or suffering and the child’s parent or the person having charge of the child does not provide, or refuses or is unavailable or unable to consent to, the treatment;

(f) the child has suffered emotional harm, demonstrated by serious,

(i) anxiety,

(ii) depression,

(iii) withdrawal,

(iv) self-destructive or aggressive behaviour, or

(v) delayed development,

and there are reasonable grounds to believe that the emotional harm suffered by the child results from the actions, failure to act or pattern of neglect on the part of the child’s parent or the person having charge of the child;

(f.1) the child has suffered emotional harm of the kind described in subclause (f) (i), (ii), (iii), (iv) or (v) and the child’s parent or the person having charge of the child does not provide, or refuses or is unavailable or unable to consent to, services or treatment to remedy or alleviate the harm;

(g) there is a risk that the child is likely to suffer emotional harm of the kind described in subclause (f) (i), (ii), (iii), (iv) or (v) resulting from the actions, failure to act or pattern of neglect on the part of the child’s parent or the person having charge of the child;

(g.1) there is a risk that the child is likely to suffer emotional harm of the kind described in subclause (f) (i), (ii), (iii), (iv) or (v) and that the child’s parent or the person having charge of the child does not provide, or refuses or is unavailable or unable to consent to, services or treatment to prevent the harm;

(h) the child suffers from a mental, emotional or developmental condition that, if not remedied, could seriously impair the child’s development and the child’s parent or the person having charge of the child does not provide, or refuses or is unavailable or unable to consent to, treatment to remedy or alleviate the condition;

(i) the child has been abandoned, the child’s parent has died or is unavailable to exercise his or her custodial rights over the child and has not made adequate provision for the child’s care and custody, or the child is in a residential placement and the parent refuses or is unable or unwilling to resume the child’s care and custody;

(j) the child is less than twelve years old and has killed or seriously injured another person or caused serious damage to another person’s property, services or treatment are necessary to prevent a recurrence and the child’s parent or the person having charge of the child does not provide, or refuses or is unavailable or unable to consent to, those services or treatment;

(k) the child is less than twelve years old and has on more than one occasion injured another person or caused loss or damage to another person’s property, with the encouragement of the person having charge of the child or because of that person’s failure or inability to supervise the child adequately; or

(l) the child’s parent is unable to care for the child and the child is brought before the court with the parent’s consent and, where the child is twelve years of age or older, with the child’s consent, to be dealt with under this Part. R.S.O. 1990, c. C.11, s. 37 (2); 1999, c. 2, s. 9.

Well COMAX, I think that if these individuals can take it upon themselves to make this child's life even harder than it already is based on make-believe, then they should all be punished somehow. The board of education is responsible for these people in the end run as well. I think that they (E.A., teacher, vice-principal and principal) should be fired because who in the h*ll would want their child being educated by a person like this. I can see the future of our youth being taught by people like this being real bright!

The CAS should have looked more closely at the source. You could be angry at a neighbour for crapping in your driveway, and turn around and call the CAS to give them grief. It's up to the CAS to week out the wacko's and the angry from the legitamates.

COMAX.. the problem being CAS does a terrible job of weeding out the "wackos" they seem to look at people who call them as wonderful people that care about children... too bad that's often not the case.

That and pretty much all of their cases, their livelyhood and jobs depend on their reporters so no wonder they are believed so greatly

WHATS REALLY SAD IS WHEN YOU GET A CAS WORKER THAT TRIES TO TELL YOU WHATS RIGHT AND WRONG AND THEY HAVE NO KIDS OF THEIR OWN. SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE, MY NIECE HAD A RUN IN WITH THEM, 3 WITNESSES PRESENT AND SHAE SAYS"OH NO, THATS NOT WHAT I SAID".........NEVER TRUST THEM EVEN WITH WITNESSES

Yes, I agree. The ones I had experience with when I was teaching seemed VERY YOUNG. And to think that they have the power to disrupt families and take children away! That's scary to me. Rip children from their homes.

Should be a committee that makes these decisions made up of those with experience and those with less. But they are so overworked and understaffed, they just follow the rulebook, I suppose, and make some poor decisions as a result. I know it must be a stressful job because they ARE dealing with some TRUE horror stories. I don't envy them at all!

You know I really think that CAS could be sued over this. If you look at the section of the "Protection from Personal Liability" that was quoted when is the ramblings of a Psychic ever been taken into account. I don't think this even comes close to "acting in good faith".