Caledonia ... yet again

Well the natives are upset ... again. According to the noon news one native was arrested for pulling a gun on the family that has the god awful privilege of having their backyard butt against DCE. The natives claim that it was only binoculars. While the native was being arrested, the crowd of natives were held back at gunpoint (their claim) and that the native was roughed up (oh too bad!) He was taken to Cayuga and then to the hospital for a checkup.

Does anyone think all hell will break loose again for the weekend?

The Simcoe Reformer has some Breaking News online. I think it's a different situation, but at least an arrest of an involved party.

enough is enough of this crap!

Why is it the OPP are involved...ONTARIO police... when the natives are not citizens of Ontario? Should be the RCMP. It's a federal issue. It was our federal govt who made deals with the natives and should be involved now.

Also...the OPP should not cross over onto the reserve. They have their own police force. The OPP do not cross over into New York state or Michigan. They stop at the border. So the same would go here with native land.

The OPP have lost their effectiveness. The RCMP should be working in direct conjunction with the Six Nations police. And start a new policing method in that way. Outline their responses..."if this, then this happens..." and go from there. A new slate.

I agree CKing - this is not a problem to be handled by the province of Ontario. It is a problem to be handled by the federal goverment. Unfortunately it hasn't been, and doesn't appear it will be at any time in the near future. This is a powder keg just waiting to be lit, whether it be by some Caledonia resident who is fed up with being jerked around for more than two years, or a member of the Six Nations band who feel that they have been badly used for the last two hundred years. I agree that the OPP should not be there.

It's like in the teaching profession..which is all that I really know about. When a situation deteriorates in a classroom, either the kid transfers or the teacher transfers. People do it all the time.

A hostile situation is not healthy. It happens sometimes but you don't allow it to continue to the detriment of all concerned! Someone has to change the course of this dysfunction.
I sent my above comment to OPP Chief Fantino..let's see if he responds...??

SZQ ... typical Reformer .. that story is about the melee that happened on Labour day. Has absolutely nothing to do with what happened today. Maybe the reformer will get around to this one say ...... Tuesday!!


I got this from the CALEDONIAWAKEUPCALL.COM website. Very interesting stuff!!!



DCE Occupier pulls a gun on Residents

Counsellor Craig Grice was at xxxxx's home and left at around 4:05 pm. Grice confirmed that a gun had been pulled, whether at Dave Brown only or also on Dana Chatwell is not verified. Grice apparently called chief negotiator Nolan who then contacted one of his sub-negotiators who was on the DCE at the time of the incident and told him to leave the DCE as it was unsafe to be there.

The OPP were contacted, apparently went to the DCE area to investigate, but left Dave and Dana there and left any other residents there without any notification that there was a native protestor with a gun wandering around who had just threatened Dave and possibly also Dana.

Randy Fleming was there as well, at the time of the incident, which, according to Merlyn Kinrade, began around 11 am on Thursday, Sept 18, 2008. Merlyn believes the gun was a long gun as opposed to a hand gun. Merlyn said the native protester pulled a gun on Dave Brown, Randy Fleming and a third person. Merlyn does not know who the third person is.

The native protestor in question was not removed from the DCE by any police according to information supplied to me.

So it's important to protect government negotiators but it's acceptable to leave defenceless residents in place and leave a gun toting native protester in place as well.

In the meantime, Commissioner Fantino's office is in an emergency meeting.

(5:00 pm - Sept 18) to say that Dave Brown just got off the phone with Merlyn and told him that Mayor Marie Trainer talked to Dave and was so upset she cried over the phone.

Dave Brown the real estate guy?? Or another Dave Brown?

While land claims are the Federal government's responsibility to settle, the law and order ( protection) of the people in the province of Ontario falls to the Provincial government, through the OPP.
Sadly, McGuinty will not do anything to help the residents of Caledonia. He had far too much to say about Harris and the incident at Ipperwash. McGuinty will not allow the OPP to harm a hair on any native protestor. Unfortunately, this issue in not occuring in a Liberal held riding. I think that if this were the case, McGuinty might have a different take on the matter because he would have that MPP screaming bloody murder at cabinet meetings.
Now, all McGuinty has to do is ignore it. He really should be ashamed of himself. I would imagine that he thinks he is rather smug and doing a far better job than Harris did.
Give me a break. As sad as it may be, I do not see this issue ending in any peaceful way. Unfortunately, people are being taunted by these criminals wandering around the DCE and with those hooligans waving and pointing guns at the citizens, it is only a matter of time before something horrible happens and all hell breaks loose.
I guess we all have to wait for that day before McGuinty and the OPP will do anything. And by then, it will be too late.

I'd love to see the RCMP "attempt" to handle the situation.
Problem is...it will never happen. Unfortunate because then the public would see them do nothing different than has been done by the OPP.
Sadly, a precident was set back in April 2006. What a farce that was. Then Commissioner Gwen Boniface dropped the ball on that one and now Julien Fantino is left with a crap sandwhich. A no-win situation.

The Ipperwash Inquiry (what a joke) has politicians and police walking on eggshells because of its "recommendations".
I think the police and politicians need to realize they're NOT laws.
By the way, as far as I'm concerned the Ipperwash Inquiry should have been completed in one day.
"Native protestor observed on several occassions by several different people with a long gun. Highly trained, professional police officer observes muzzle flash in bush with shots fired at police. Highly trained professional police officer returns fire. End of story."

And why should the OPP "not" be allowed on DCE?
That land is owned by the Provincial Government, bought with our tax dollars. Yes?

That a$$hole that got arrested yesterday should have been arrested on Labour Day weekend. Numerous, violent criminal charges. He was watched daily parading around DCE like a peacock.
He's a dangerous individual who poses a real threat to Dave and Dayna.
It's a miracle Dave and Dayna haven't been hurt.

Lastly, Dawn Smith's statement on the news was an insult to all law abiding citizens in this country.
Hopefully, people consider the source.