Caledonia

It's not quite the same because the Russians, Germans...whoever CONQUERED the people next door.

The natives were suppressed but not chased out or destroyed completely. Instead they were allowed to keep their beliefs and culture but restricted to certain areas...the reserves. We also made DEALS with them. And these were signed and legal. Land deals.

So it was not exactly the same as they were not defeated and crushed as the Spanish did to the Mayan and Aztec civilizations.

We gave them certain "freebies" in return for the privilege of developing the land upon which they lived. And now, we think we don't have to uphold those deals and documents. And perhaps they need to be renegotiated. And hopefully this IS happening. In a fair and legal manner. Fair to both sides.

Once again, I repeat my opinion that these native rabblerousers do not represent the main population of native people. I don't believe it for a minute. Most of them get up and go to work just like the rest of us. And try to make their lives the best they can be. Most natives are not tire-burners or "wagon-burners." They work and act just like the rest of us.

Just go to the Jane and Finch area of Toronto and see the "non-natives" acting in violent and threatening ways. These folks do not represent ME or anyone that I know! No more than the restless natives blockading roads represent the steelworker doing shiftwork to support his family or the native woman working in the nursing home as a PSW or the native lawyer doing legal work. Blanket statements hurt all of us.

This is what Canada gets for being nice.In the USA they went to war against the Indians gave them land then and took it back over and over.They dont have all the trouble we do

So because they stopped handing out small pox infected blankets, we have to pay, HOW many years later!


The Natives don't think a fair price was paid way back then, and they are demanding their just deserts now.

I"m sure many families can show on paper where their family was duped out of property. Try and go back on a bad farm sale from 1867 where the anchestrial farm was sold for $128.00 and say....

It's now worth 3.7 million - give me 4 million for it and make sure from now on you "consult" with me every time you want to paint the barn, mow the grass or make an improvement, or I'll set up a road block and cause you a world of trouble.


See where that gets you.

My wife said some non natives tried to set up a roadblock and were arrested. Nice to see how the law is completely unbiased.

So, if everyone would buy on the reserve, not paying taxes, local businesses would go belly up and not be able to pay their taxes. The government would not be getting the money they need to run the country. They also would not be getting the money they need to give to the dept. of Indian affairs, which in turn would not have the 11 billion the natives expect. One can pretend as long as they like that they are not part of the system, thus not effecting the system, but in the end they will be part of the problem that sends this country down into the pits.

newdoverman wrote:

pattip wrote:

Aren't Indian Affairs a federal matter? If so just what is the province suppose to do? Time Steve and the back room boys decided to do something, don't you think?

Indian Affairs is a Federal responsibility but in Ontario, policing is a Provincial responsibility and we have seen only the worst policing possible in this matter. I would like to get McGuinty and Fantino together and bang their heads together. It would be useless though because both of them have their brains stuffed up their arses.

Right on, dead on. We used to go to Caledonia a couple of time a month, we have a favourite sub shop there, the Zehrs was often cheaper than Simcoe's since it was aligned, competing with Hamilton. Started going back this year as things seemed to be quieting down. Not any more.

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I understand that they can get you as you leave the rez, but I have a question if I purchase anything and the seller doesn't charge me tax WHY am I responible? Shouldn't the seller be held accountable. I'm not just talking about the REZ but anywhere any thing is sold and what about someone that sells something and charges the tax but is under the legal limit for having to submit (I think it use to be $10,000.) should they not have to return my tax paid? I think this happened alot when the GST came out at first.

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Isn't that the job of these "brokers" who have a Canadian address who do all the work with the local taxes etc. when ordering from the States?

The original seller doesn't do this stuff...but rather the broker on this side of the border. And you pay it to this agency and also return it to this agency if returning goods.

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newdoverman wrote:

I have never heard of anyone being caught on this point but have had to pay Ontario tax and GST when buying online from U.S. online stores.

(if I understood you correctly)
You do not pay Ontario tax from an online store outside of the province, unless that business happens to have a location in Ontario.

And you do not pay GST from an online purchase that involves a service or downloadable software, unless that company has a location in Canada. Mind you, I don't know the legality of this particular issue, but you would have to go out of your way to try and find some means to pay it to the government.

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newdoverman wrote:

Groovin wrote:

newdoverman wrote:

I have never heard of anyone being caught on this point but have had to pay Ontario tax and GST when buying online from U.S. online stores.

(if I understood you correctly)
You do not pay Ontario tax from an online store outside of the province, unless that business happens to have a location in Ontario.

And you do not pay GST from an online purchase that involves a service or downloadable software, unless that company has a location in Canada. Mind you, I don't know the legality of this particular issue, but you would have to go out of your way to try and find some means to pay it to the government.

That is not correct. It depends upon the tax setup of the company and the agreements that it has entered into and where in the States that it is located. It is a real "hit and miss" proposition.

I'll have to continue to disagree - Both as a regular purchaser of US and Canadian products online for the passed 10+ years, as well as someone who's business sells to other provinces, states and counties.

Your information about UPS is incorrect as well. They have their own brokerage service that can be used, and they are bonded.

pattip wrote:

I understand that they can get you as you leave the rez, but I have a question if I purchase anything and the seller doesn't charge me tax WHY am I responible? Shouldn't the seller be held accountable. I'm not just talking about the REZ but anywhere any thing is sold and what about someone that sells something and charges the tax but is under the legal limit for having to submit (I think it use to be $10,000.) should they not have to return my tax paid? I think this happened alot when the GST came out at first.

I don't believe you would be responsible. The seller must charge the tax and indicate as such on the receipt. For example, it is illegal to advertise something as "tax free". The retailer can say "save the tax", but what they are doing is discounting the merchandise equivalent to the tax and then charging tax.

If a seller charges tax, but are under the required minimum, they must still submit any claimed tax to the government (although they will likely get a huge chunk back in government GST refunds). I don't know if they can legally return it to you after the transaction has taken place (short of doing a return and then resell without the tax).