Caledonia

My daughter tried to use the Caledonia bypass around 11 this am and it was closed, she said there was smoke further down the road. Anyone heard anything, just an accident or are there problems again?

Natives are at it again.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/488657

I'm sick of biting my tongue over this, bring in the "Storm Troopers", haul the "Terrorists" off to a "Camp" and end this blackmail.

Stevef wrote:

I'm sick of biting my tongue over this, bring in the "Storm Troopers", haul the "Terrorists" off to a "Camp" and end this blackmail.

They probably feel the same way aboutt you and I, although we have been holding them hostage for over a hundred years while they have been an inconvience to us for only a couple.

The provincial government has done nothing, will do nothing, so you just gotta live with it.

the natives are getting restless again. time to stock up on essentials just in case! Would be interesting to see who the local they arrested (I hate the term non-native), could be McCale or maybe even Fleming. Will be interesting to watch the news tonight!

I just came from there. According to the officer standing on the line by DCE, some native teenagers were arrested in Brantford. In response the natives shut down Hwy 6 and set some tires on fire. Also, in front of DCE they had pulled the hydro towers across the road. Large numbers of cars were pulling into the DCE. One lady, Dana I believe, was talking to CHCH 11, saying something about being attacked by natives with a 2x4. I didn't see the attack happen, so I can't comment on that. Just a lot of anger on both sides.

skully, I would like some clarification on the idea that we have held natives hostage for hundreds of years. True, we have wronged them in some ways in the past, just as we have been wronged by others. However, in many cases, they have been given many more advantages than the rest of Canadians have. To say they have the right to inconvenience us as a result is poorly thought out and in some ways, childish. I do not believe that we should get use to it. I do, however, believe that natives should accept some responsibility for their situation. I also believe that if natives continually claim to be non Canadian and that they do not need to adhere to our laws, then they cannot appeal to our law system when it suits them. Blocking our roads, burnng tires and damaging the surface, leaving us with the repair bill is unacceptable. If it is, then they should not mind if we blocked off a few of the 6N entrances by burning tires or digging up the surface.

"If it is, then they should not mind if we blocked off a few of the 6N entrances by burning tires or digging up the surface."
WE would be arrested!

As far as I am concerned they should have zero entitlement. Just because land is separated by water, does not make it theirs (speaking of centuries ago). We are all part of the human race and we all have to share this planet. If they can't accept that then ... send in the troops!

I can't believe this crap they are pulling. Not just in Caledonia, but things like the stoppage of construction elsewhere, trying to get free handouts for the use of "their air" (cell phone use in the prairies), and now this garbage. Many of these people truly live up to the term "savages", and it disgusts me.

I have several native friends and they are all amazing people. So I agree that "terrorist" is the right term for this other sect of drunken, violent, deadbeat bastards.

Stevef wrote:

"If it is, then they should not mind if we blocked off a few of the 6N entrances by burning tires or digging up the surface."
WE would be arrested!

EXACTLY!!!!!

Aren't Indian Affairs a federal matter? If so just what is the province suppose to do? Time Steve and the back room boys decided to do something, don't you think?

Here's my comparison...in any classroom or school, there are a few kids who are troublemakers. They fight, swear, get suspended, bully, rebel, make trouble, upset the teacher and the class, get sent to the office,get suspended, come back to school, start over again, etc. etc.

But these few do not represent the majority...yet, the majority must tolerate their bad behaviour and their disruptions and listen to their disrespect. These kids also do damage to property and buses.

In terms of the natives, there are a few militant troublemakers. They disrupt, do damage, cause trouble and conflict....yet they do not represent the majority of native people.

In a school system, just like in regard to the natives, this "element" must be tolerated. Kids are exposed to this garbage and this behaviour and bad language. Classes are interrupted and lessons don't go as well as planned due to the attitude of this minority group or individual.

However, due to the laws of our land, Young Offenders Act and etc., these kids can legally be in the classroom and not much can be done when rules are broken. Or furniture or doors are broken. Because they are "minors." They are a "special population."

And natives are natives. The law says they are a "special population" and until that designation is changed, then nothing can be done.

Just like your kids have to put up with the bully in the class or the kid who throws chairs or the kid who swears at the teacher. It's a reality in our society and we have to tolerate it until there are changes in the procedures allowed in terms of police and legal response.

For now, they ARE above the law. We made it that way. We allowed them/forced them to be outside of our living space and outside of our laws. If we don't like it, then the law has to be changed.

I'm absolutely sick of the G! D! Native protests. (I am part Algonquin)

LETS Go back in history - and show me one group of people that "WEREN'T" wronged by some other group of people. The difference here is that this particular group (the Natives) are starting to yell. Well you know what, The Jews aren't in Germany demanding a piece of it, the Peruvians aren't over in Spain demanding their Billions in gold stolen from them be returned. They were both both beaten in history, however grimm. Get over it.

You know what. The Natives on the reserve pay $0.00 in Taxes, are exempt from most fees, have a state of the art arena (free) the have every educational advantage in the world offered to them (free). (Mind you they have to leave the reserve to reap the benefits, as no one on the reserve will pay them, because they feel it should be given freely to them without charge.)

Any Natives I know "not" living on the reserve, that took advantage of the free education and economic benefits of growing up on the reserve are now doing VERY well, living in regular neighbourhoods and paying some taxes.

I say quit holding your hand out and go take what you ARE being given: every opportunity you need to be successful. And be greatful for what you have, and greatful that this much is beening done for you. Quit asking for more! It's pathetic! You can only suck blood from the host for so long before it drys up. (If you get my drift)

In addition, if history serves me right, it was the Mohawks that invaded the Neutrals and ravaged them so these Mohawks certainly are not the lily-pure individuals they are trying to convince us that they are.

This mornning I heard an ad on the radio advertising a new electronics store opening on the res. Part of the ad stated that, since you were buying on the reserve you were required to pay no taxes. Ipods etc could be purchased tax free. Isn't that suppose to be reserved for the natives only or are they breaking the law?

It always was illegal, probably still is, noboby cares much though. It's like getting gas there, if they'll sell it to you lucky you. With gas though they have to run it through a "status" card.

iC supercomputers advertises "from a tax free location" They sell apple products tax free. That means everyday $1300.00 - $2400.00 computers along with ipods and such leave the reserve and come back here without tax being collected by the government. Not very fair to a place like Kwic who sell the same product but have to charge over $200.00 in taxes. I don't think it should be allowed. All we are doing is lining their pockets, but where would you shop?

Everything you buy on the rez is tax free. Lumber, computers ... you name it. Lets face it, we can't compete with it, but there isn't anything that can be done about it either. Its the nature of the beast. IC will let you know you are to file the proper papers, thats as far as it goes there.

Stevef wrote:

With gas though they have to run it through a "status" card.

They're just suppose to check if you have a card. Then they fill out a tax exempt voucher on their own. So it doesn't really matter to them if they assign you a "band" number when filling it out. But they probably wouldn't do it unless you were a regular (as opposed to a government inspector). Chances are, they claim almost all transactions as native, and pocket the tax collected by anyone who isn't a native.

"They're just suppose to check if you have a card. Then they fill out a tax exempt voucher on their own. So it doesn't really matter to them if they assign you a "band" number when filling it out."

Maybe the odd time, (and that is more employee based than the station itself) but they always take my card, wich is run under a roller copier (like the old style credit card machines) then take my liscence plate info wich is also added to the carbon sheet then I sign for it.

It's not really any different than people who are paying cash for work being done or products purchased ...and paying the service guy "under the table." Cash in the hand. Let's not pretend people aren't doing that on a regular basis! Hand to hand business and leaving the govt out of it.

White folks are not above saving money either.

I've purchased gas on the REZ. There are 2 prices usually one native (with card) and one non-native. The non-native is a bit higher but still less than at a non-rez station. As far as paying tax goes, every time you purchase a good or service that you don't pay tax on your paying double in the long run. The person you purchase from still has all the advantages that you have of hospital, doctor, roads, snow removal, fire service, schools etc. without having to pay for them. I know some of this is covered by property tax but sales taxes help with general revenue also. So you might be saving a few bucks at first but in the long run its costing you.

I agree with COMAX over on page 1. Think I'll send a couple of letters off this week. Lets see one to the government and Queen about the relatives that came over on the coffins ships from Ireland, one to the Russian/German/Dutch governments that forced the others from Europe and one to the US for the land/goods that was left behind in 1778. All I need now is an overpass and a few tires!!!! Do you think any of those governments will give back the monies spent on my 3 kids education, dental, hockey fees etc.?

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